Could you let me have the make and model of your food steamer and I will look up the details and come back to you with the information you require - ian
Leave it with me and I will have a look in the morning and come back to you - if you could resend the picture that would be helpful as it hasn't come through. Many thanks - Ian
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OK Claire - got the photo and as you say very little damage. With regard to the elements etc, the element is made of metal so that wouldnt have been damaged in anyway so that part is safe - the base area is made of a coloured plastic so would not contain BPAs or Phthales as they are only used in clear plastics. Regarding the BPAs as you are aware these are used in most clear plastic things, I attach an article which will hopefully allow you to make the required decisions re your baby.
I hope this has set your mind at rest if so would you kindly rate the information given by selecting from the star rating system at the top of the page. If you need further advice do come back to me. Thank you for using JA and have a great evening - Ian
Yes the damage in my opinion after 25 years in this industry is superficial, Whilst I fully understand your concerns remember that the BPAs etc were not heated only the coloured plastic. Regarding the article, I see what you mean but if you highlight the link and then paste it into your browser it works. For some reason if you copy it and then get google to search it doesnt. Hope this reassurance helps - Ian
I think we have to both consider that you wont be happy with this damaged base or its ramifications thereafter. Would it put your mind at rest if I tried to source you another base so that you can replace the damaged one? Your only other option is to throw the one you have away and get another one. With regard to the link it works for me every time.
No as I said earlier the element is made of stainless steel and is a sealed unit, there is no way that anything of that nature could have been given off by the element. If any damage had been done to inner parts the steamer wouldn't work at all as there are a number of safety cut-outs that would have ruptured and shut the appliance down. These safety devices have to be replaced and cannot be reset.
Two things to consider, firstly the melted item was not part of the cooking area only a case, it had no contact with the item/food being heated. Secondly the results cover long term exposure to these toxins and in all honesty the few short seconds of melt weren't long enough to cause damage. Take this as a lesson in life - when my daughter was small I dropped her on her head, very traumatic at the time and I'll never forget it but shes grown up with children of her own now. It puts a shudder down my spine when I think of it but we all make mistakes and learn by them - Ian.
Leach means in simple terms the ability over a long period of time for materials to be extracted from a substance by the action of a percolating liquid ie to allow a liquid to pass through small holes in a solid substance. eg water passing through limestone theerby in this filtering the water and letting us drink 'natural spring water'
So back to the original query - no BPAs in coloured plastic. Phthalates have to leach so bearing in mind that something melted and did not leach there was no ability to contaminate the food eaten. First time around its always the worst, you take everything to extremes and the old folk just shake their heads. Lets be blunt and honest Claire even if all your worries were true (which they aren't) there is nothing you can do about it. Enjoy your baby and get on with life, you wont do it again but at least you will check next time.
It is always so difficult when you're having to learn as you go along, we all tend to be over protective of our loved ones, it makes it so difficult to let them go later take my word for it. Just remember that you aren't the first one to bring up a young baby and that we've all been where you are and understand.
With regard to the appliance, it will be just fine, if needed the base can always be changed but other than that there is nothing much you can do now. The leaching happened when you burnt it if it happened at all. It went into the air not the food. So as I said before forget about the steamer, change the base if you feel necessary but enjoy you baby, they grow up so fast - Ian
Just remember we are talking (with leaching) about a material passing itself into a liquid not melting into the air. Let me set you a scenario which may set your mind further at rest - currently the UK uses waste in power stations in a process called 'energy from waste' this uses much that we discard but is not recyclable to generate energy. Some plastics are yet to be able to be recycled and thus go down the energy from waste stream. So stop worrying about your minor hiccup, think about all the particulates that the local bus company pumps out, the CO2 that we dump into the atmosphere and move to the country (laughs) Ian
You've got it in one, if they had melted at all the liquid would have seeped into the electronics and shorted the whole thing out and for sure would have made a real mess of the steamer. The easy answer is to get the old man to take the base off he can and have a look see.
Sorry it just popped up with your other one, I'm just finishing for the day but I'll have a look tomorrow and come back to you with my thoughts - Ian
Yes if there has been heat damage it will be obvious as either burn marks or melting. I would be most surprised to see any to be honest. Regarding the toxic release, if it did happen it already has, once the plastic solidified no further would be released. So as long as you dont do the same thing again you are perfectly safe.
I have attached the Guardian article to try and get you to understand that whatever you do you are going to come across Phthalates and there is nothing you can do to avoid this. -- http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2015/feb/10/phthalates-plastics-chemicals-research-analysis -- even if you take all steps to pick items that you think might have them in there makeup there are processes used in industry that use the plastics containing them. Perhaps the cap on top of the baby powder or the disposable nappie bag contain them? I really hope that you can see that there is no point in worrying about what may or may not happen. From the point of view of the melted plastic - forget about it, any toxins that were given off (if any) would go upwards, the cooking area was sealed by steam which increased the pressure inside the cooking trays so that nothing could get in only out. The food was not contaminated nor could it be.
I did look out the diagrams for you steamer prior to coming back to you - I am 100% sure that there is no way that anything harmful will have been able to get into the babys food. The slight damage was to the base casing not the cooking area with its series of heaters and water tank/steamer area. As I said once the steamer started to work the air pressure inside the cook area would have been much higher than outside and there is no way that anything could have been able to get into the cook area. You are starting to speculate here which is causing you more worry than is needed. The whole of the base wasn't heated only a tiny area, insignificant to be honest. 'If' didn't happen and you will for sure ensure that it doesn't - take care and enjoy your baby.
If it had it would have melted far more than it did, glass topped hobs are thermally protected to stop them getting too hot and damaging the ceramic glass. It would have been a quick burst and then off.
Just remember that there was air between the base and then another layer of plastic then water. You had two mediums that insulated the other plastic parts and kept them cool - both air and water have to have massive amounts of energy to cause them to transfer heat energy. The base on the other hand had direct contact and even that only just distorted.
Just remember that the appliance is a 'steamer' it is designed to work at high temperatures in excess of 100C and the melt area was localised to just that really small area.
A pleasure to help, if you would kindly rate the help given sofar (but do come back to me if you want further information) so that I can shut the information request down on my screen. if you want to chat further just log back in and the call will be routed my way. Thank You for using JA and have a wonderful day with your baby - Ian
Thanks for the rating Claire, come back for a chat or more information at anytime I'm often here during the day but evenings or early mornings are your best time - Have a great day and take care - Ian
No you can continue our conversation here if you wish there is no need to start another topic - slight delay had to go to the supermarket.
The plastic throughout would have been made of the same material as its easier to quantify things from a fire regulation point of view. Regarding the food, I have no doubt you would have smelt the toxic fumes whilst you were testing the food - dont you think? So would have taken the necessary steps.
Will have a look in the morning, your query was miscategorized and sent to the wrong team. Ian
Yes otherwise you will end up being billed more than once.
Remember what I told you it can only leach out into something liquid and there was nothing in contact with the heat that contained any liquid. Once the plastic solidified again then no more leaching.
Hi again - chronic exposure means working in an environment where you are constantly exposed to these substances - think guys in years gone by that worked in the mines, those using asbestos in the building trade or smoking for 60 years. It does not mean a one off incident with no direct contact with the substance. You are worrying yourself over nothing. Yes as the doctor said they have no research done but that doesnt mean that were it to be done all would be bad. Whats done is done, forget about it otherwise you will worry forever. I would put a small bet on that car exhaust fumes cause more damage to humans than your small upset.
Remember that they can only leach out if something changes to their make-up such as the melting you had. Under normal opertation this wont happen.