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Matt, Mechanical Engineer
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Experience:  BEng hons Mech engineering, in auto industry 22 years
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I have a renault scenic brought 2 weeks ago,53 plate 80k 1.6

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i have a renault scenic brought 2 weeks ago,53 plate 80k 1.6 petrol,just had a clutch put in as it seemed heavy now getting messages check emission and handbrake warning now it wont start anyone help please as i need this for my disabled daughter
Submitted: 3 months ago.
Category: Car
Expert:  Matt replied 3 months ago.


1st check for spark by removing one of the spark plugs and plug it back into its lead and rest it on the metal of the engine ( DO NOT hold it on place by hand) then have your assistant turn the engine over whilst you watch the plug. It should give a fat blue spark at regular intervals.

If not then check that there's power to the coil pack (at the other end of the plug lead) using a meter. If there’s 12V at the pack but no spark then check the ECU power supply (fuse and relay) and also the connections to the crankshaft speed sensor.

If there is a spark and its still not starting then its likely that the ECU isn't opening the fuel injectors, if the injectors are working you can hear them click - its difficult to hear them with background noise so use a long screwdriver like a stethoscope, placing the handle end in your ear and the metal tip against the body of the injector whilst your assistant turns the engine over.

If you can't hear anything check the ECU power is present by measuring voltage at the fusebox and on its relay socket if OK then check the connections to the crank speed sensor and consider replacing this sensor if the wiring / connections look OK

If the car will start using a squirt of quick/ easi start into the intake then this confirms the problem is lack of fuel

Also its worth checking that the electric pump that feeds the injectors is working correctly, it should run for a few seconds then switch off when you first turn the ignition on. If you remove the filler cap to the fuel tank and listen inside while your assistant flicks the ignition you should hear it clearly

If the connections to this are corroded or damaged then the pump could stop at any time. Check that its relay switches in and out and the relay contacts are clean and bright – replace the relay if in any doubt and do the same for the fuse, ideally measure the voltage at the pump and check its getting 12V.

You should be getting around 3 bar measured at the injector rail check to see if the plugs are getting wet indicating fuel is flowing – if not and the injectors are opening then there’s a problem with the pump or the filter or even the pressure regulator

Could also be incorrect fuelling due to a faulty water temp sensor. If this is the problem then the ECU will never add the 'cold start' extra fuel required if the car starts OK when warm then I 'd look into changing the sensor.

Customer: replied 3 months ago.
the car does not turn over its like having a flat battery,but this has just happened since the messages started to pop up.
like i said,the car ran very well at first,i had the clutch replaced,then on the way home check emission message popped up with the service light and a engine symbol.the car still seem to run ok,i took it back to the garage they plugged in the diagnostic machine and it said something about a purge sensor,turned the car off and then back on the message and symbol had gone out drove home all ok,went to the shops couple of hours later and message and symbol came back on drove to shops on way home handbrake warning message came on as home.turned of car then back on and it was if the battery was flat it struggled to turn over and thats where we are at
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Expert:  Matt replied 3 months ago.


thanks for the extra information

If the car's not cranking then first check it can turned over by hand so double checking for any mechanical issues

If OK then check that the main battery cables are on tight and the terminals are clean and bright. Do the same for the engine / gearbox earth strap.
Then follow the main positive lead back to the engine and down to the starter motor, and check the connection at this end as well.

There should also be a small wire to the motor which should have 12V when you're turning the ignition switch to crank. If the 12V isn't there, check back along this wire for damage to the insulation or corroded connections

This 12V feed comes directly from the ignition switch so this may be faulty and need replacing

Check the resistance of the main positive lead that runs down to the motor as anything more than a few ohms and it should be replaced

Don't forget to try a jump start from another car / battery as its possible the battery is poor, if you have a voltmeter a healthy battery should read 12.7+V

also try substituting the battery for another as I've known a very flat battery to drag down the system voltage too far even with jump cables

one other thing to consider is that the immobiliser is faulty and preventing the starter from being enabled - however if the dash / ignition lights are on then this usually means that its off

If this is all OK then its possible the car needs a new starter motor

Customer: replied 3 months ago.
i am sorry but you are not answering the are telling me the basic facts why a car wont start..the question i posted was the error messages that popped up now causing the car not to start

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