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Jane Lefler, Animal Behaviorist
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Experience:  Dog breeder/Trainer and Behaviorist 18+ years
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I have two 8 year old XXXXX XXXXXs (brother and sister) the

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I have two 8 year old XXXXX XXXXXs (brother and sister) the girl keeps peeing in the house, literally everywhere even on my bed! shes always done it, she knows she is meant to go outside but just does not seem to like it. she will use puppy pads but the cost is getting too much. she keeps her brother in too if she can although he usually fights his way past her (she used to do the same thing to our Staffordshire bull terrier who unfortunately died a few months ago age 15) she is a bit aggressive when she is out for walks but very timid. Im literally at the end of my tether and don't know what to do!
Submitted: 2 years ago.
Category: Dog Training
Expert:  Jane Lefler replied 2 years ago.
Hi JaCustomer,
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My name is Jane. I have been working professionally with animals especially dogs in both health and behavioral issues for over 18 years. I have over 14,000 satisfied customers. It will be my pleasure to work with you today.

In order to supply you with the best information, I do need to ask for some additional information. Once I receive your answer, it will likely take me about 30-45 minutes to type up your response. I hope you can be patient.

Is your girl spayed?
if not, when was her last heat cycle?
If she is spayed, when was she spayed?
Have you had her since she was a pup?
You state that she has always done it. Does this mean she had never been house trained?
If you have pads down does she use them or still urinate everywhere?
I'm assuming that in 8 years she has been checked for a UTI. Is this accurate?
Does she drink more than normal?
Do you take her outside to eliminate or just let them out into the yard?
Customer: replied 2 years ago.

hi


ive been putting up with her for 8 years I can wait 45 more minutes haha thank you.


 


yes they have both been neutered.


yes had them since 8 weeks.


she was trained the same way that her brother was, taken outside praised etc. if im honest the efforts have lapsed over the years as we have sort of given up hope however we do keep on with the reward system as best we can. maybe it sounds silly but occasionally she will go outside and then she will come to you looking very pleased with herself for praise, I do think she knows shes what she is meant to be doing. and the fact she doesn't want the others to go out either makes me think its not that she doesn't understand, can dogs be agoraphobic??


if the pads are down she will use them unless I am upstairs then she will pee in my bedroom.


yes she has been fully health checked.


Its difficult to say as we had 3 dogs for most of her life but I haven't ever noticed she drinks a lot more than I would expect.


we have a dog flap so she can go in the garden any time she likes but she is also taken on a walk every morning, she will usually go to the toilet on her walk.

Expert:  Jane Lefler replied 2 years ago.
Hi JaCustomer,

Thanks for the additional information. It is helpful. Dogs can be scared of going outside, especially smaller breeds where there actually could be threats to their lives in the form of owls, hawks and even larger dogs, bobcats and even coyotes. Here we have both lynx and coyotes from time to time who frequently take feral kittens and even domesticated young pets if they are not watched closely.

I often have customers that say their dog eliminates inside despite having doggy doors. Once they start stepping outside with their dog when the dog needs to eliminate, the problem stops. It could be from being scared of something outside or be related to separation anxiety.

The next thing I would suggest is to teach her a clear signal that she can use to let you know she wants to go out with you. I can't stress enough that at least initially, you should go out with her if you want this to be successful. put a bell or other noise maker on the door low enough for the dog to reach. Each time you take the dog out, ring the bell. The dog will associate ringing the bell with going out and one day ring the bell to signal to you that she needs to go out.

You might do crate training. It does work despite the age of a dog but the crate needs to be sized to the dog and there can not be extra room.
Here is a site with more information on crate training.
http://www.inch.com/~dogs/cratetraining.html

Unfortunately, the site does not allow me to make clickable links, so to view the supporting websites, you will need to copy and paste the link into a new browser window or tab.

Cleaning the places she has eliminated correctly also will help stop her from repeating it. Most cleaners only work well enough to fool our noses but not a dogs. Enzymatic cleaners are needed to break down the protein in the urine and eliminate the odor completely. In addition, the cleaner needs to soak in as far as the urine did. A dog urinates and the urine moves through the carpet and reaches the padding and floor and spreads out while there is only a small spot on the surface. So you need to blot up as much fluid as possible, then apply the cleanser and let is soak in as long as the urine sat to ensure it gets down just as far. As long as there is any odor remaining, it will actually draw the dog back to the place to eliminate again.

Another possibility is that she has a weak bladder leading to aquired urinary incontinence which is common after spaying. You can read more on it at this site as well as treatment options. So definitely ask your vet about phenylpropanolamine. It can help strengthen the sphincter.
http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?P=A&A=5&S=0&SourceID=28
http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?cls=2&cat=1634&articleid=487
http://www.petplace.com/drug-library/phenylpropanolamine/page1.aspx
http://www.wedgewoodpharmacy.com/monographs/phenylpropanolamine.asp

If separation anxiety is playing a part in this, a DAP collar might help the situation. It can help with anxiety and specifically separation anxiety. Dap (adaptil) collars use pheromones similar to the ones a nursing mom uses to calm her pups. I would get her one of these to see if it helps.

Another thing that you might find is a good solution if other methods do not work is a change in what you are using for her to eliminate on. You could even have one on each floor. My clients love this solution especially the ones living in apartments.

You take a large pan like a kitty litter pan or even a baby swimming pool for larger dogs. You create a platform frame with wire on top. Place newspaper or other absorbent material such as wood shavings under the platform and place sod on top of the wire frame. Since it is grass, your dog will go on it and it will reinforce the idea that grass is the desired material to eliminate on. You can remove solids and can spray the urine so it moves through and down into the absorbent material underneath. This lets you use the same piece of sod for a while before needing to replace it. You do need to replace the material under the platform from time to time. Many of my clients use the same piece of sod for 6 months or more but they do water the sod to move the urine through and replace the newspaper underneath often. They feel it is cheaper than buying puppy pads.

I hope this information is helpful to you and you are satisfied with my response. If you would like any additional information or have more questions please don’t hesitate to press the reply to expert or continue conversation button so I can address any issues you still have .

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