I WOULD LIKE TO DEAL WITH XXXXX XXXXXPH AGAIN, PLEASE Dear XXXXXn, back in August you helped me in tracing my great grandfather Henry Gough, as above. You checked the admiralty records and informed me that he was born on 28 November 1850 in Southampton, Hants. I accessed the BMD records, but could find no trace of him. So I ordered the birth certificate from GRO, stating that I did not have details of the quarter in which he was born, but asking them to search from 1849 to 1851 inclusive (obviously, I gave them Southampton as his birthplace). They came back to me with the following: "We have searched the indexes for events registered in England & Wales during the years specified (1849-1851). We have been unable to find any entry with the details you provided". I checked the 1871 census, and sure enough Henry Gough (age 20. born Southampton) is listed as a crew member of the HMS Duke of Wellington, in Portsmouth harbour. Where on earth do I go from here in locating g-granddad's birth record, so that I can order his birth certificate? Please help! Thanks and regards, XXXXX XXXXX PS Addtl info: I tried to "think outside the box" by checking BMD records for years slightly beyond 1850. I found a Henry Gough born in 1852 in Hants, so I speculated that he may have lied to the Navy about his age so that he could join up! I ordered the birth certificate, only to find that it's not him - it's someone born in Berkshire (apparently Berks and Hants were grouped together in birth records)
Trying to get genealogical information out of South Africa is a bit of a nightmare (I speak from experience). Anyway, I'm not sure that this type of info would be available - I can get in touch with my genealogical contact in SA if needs be, but I would prefer to avoid this if possible.
A few questions:
1. Do you have any idea why Henry's birth would not be registered? - I thought this was compulsory in the 1850s.
2. Could the fact that he was born in Southampton provide a clue - born on board a ship, perhaps? (I'm probably grasping at straws here)
3. Would the navy records perhaps show his next of kin? (who would presumably be his father when he enlisted)
4. Have you any idea at all of what, if any, steps I can take to track him down? All I want, really, is the name of his parents so that I can research the family backwards.
Any help you can give me will be much appreciated!
Yes, I am prepared to wait for a while for an answer.
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Thank you for getting in touch.
Back in August last year, I was seeking details of my great grandfather Henry Gough, who was in the Royal Navy. I gave Brendan his name, the name of his ship, and the approximate date of his birth. On this occasion Brendan came up trumps, because this is what he found for me:
Henry was born 28th November 1850 in Southampton, Hampshire, England, there is no death date, he must have left the navy.Name Gough, Henry. Official Number: 61770. Place of Birth: Southampton, Hampshire. Date of Birth: 28 ...Admiralty: Royal Navy Registers of Seamen's Services. Registers. Name Gough, Henry. Official Number: 61770. Place of Birth: Southampton, Hampshire. Date of Birth: 28 November 1850.Collection:Records of the Admiralty, Naval Forces, Royal Marines, Coastguard, and related bodiesDate range: 01 January 1873 - 31 December 1873 Reference:ADM 188/41/61770Subjects:Armed Forces (General), Navy
I duly ordered Henry's birth certificate from the GRO (I couldn't find him in the BMD registers, but I asked the GRO to search) but they came back to me saying that there is no record of him! (I asked them to search from 1849 to 1851 inclusive).
I checked the 1871 census and sure enough, there is a 20-year old Henry Gough, born Southampton, listed as a seaman on board the HMS Duke of Wellington in Portsmouth harbour. So he definitely existed! But why no record of his birth, and where do I go from here to try to trace him? (What I am after is the names of his parents, so that I can trace the family tree backwards).
In a nutshell, these are the questions I would like to put to you:
4. Have you any idea at all of what, if any, steps I can take to track him down?
I look forward to hearing from you!
Thank you for this. But....
1. I already know about the entry in the 1871 census - please see my original message to you, above - the bit starting I checked the 1871 census......
2. It is not Henry's DEATH record that I couldn't find, but his BIRTH record. (Please read my original message again!). I didn't look for his death certificate because I'm not sure that he died in the UK. His Navy career took him to South Africa, and that is where he met and married my great grandmother.
This Henry George Goffe who's death you have identified, may or may not be the same person. I assume you have ready access to the BMD registers? So, would you be able to look for Henry George Goffe, born Southampton, around 1850, and let me know the result? If you would kindly do this for me, I would be happy to sign off this matter as satisfactorily completed.
Thanks and regards