I was involved in a civil case [business claim against me as sole trader] last year and lost the case.
Included then and subsequently are freqent references to "according to neighbours" various disclosures about what we are doing on a day to day basis that are used to influence the ongoing actions by a claimant 200miles away.
This is particularly distressing for my wife who is in constant FEAR of being watched and having her activities reported upon - so that she often cannot sleep, wakes up crying , and generally is in fear of actions from neighbours, some of whom already have been reported to the police for causing distress by abusive behaviour. It may noit be them but the civil courts have no jurisdiction to require the claimants to prove who they got the information from.
I am anxious to persue a criminal action if appropriate since the olice seem the only ones able to obtain the disclosure of who is reporting, what they have been told about our business that would encourage them to report to someone 200 miles awy.
I consider this a form of terrorism akind to the gestapo and need it stopped.
How do I do it and if possible have the perpetrators punished for causing my wife a living hell.
they are advising someone 200 miles away - who they have no personal relationship with - reports - including false reports - about our day to day activities - so that they [200 mls away] can use them to further their claims and cause us harm - financially and emotionally
That is the problem - the civil courts will not require the claimants to disclose - the only people we have are the claimants and their barrister.
They will not voluntarily tell us.
causing ongoing distress and fear about living our private lives without everything we do being reported to a "hostile" person and possibly by someone who has been the subject of repeated referrals to the police including being suspected of criminal acts
We know who the reports are being made to:
The claimant and their barrister.
we do not wnow who is making the reports -
No one is making reports to the police - the reports are being used in a civil [county court] case[s] and its subsequent cases to influence the court about us.
We are particularly concerned about
1] the spying and reporting to people 200mls away [ for use in County Court actions - not criminal actions]
2] the disclosure to "neighbours" about private "business" matters that have been the subject of County Court actions
We consider these actions to be criminal and want to persue the stopping of them and if possible start some sort of action against these "gestapo" tactics
in what way can it be legal to subject someone to fear and intimidation, having to check vehicles every morning to see if they have been damaged, and more particulary not be able to find out who is using these "gestapo" reporting [from what will be a hostile witness] but not be able to find out who they are and have it stopped
the situation is causing great distress, and fear for particularly my wife who was not the subject of the initial business court case but lives in "fear" - as a consquence of the actions of others.
It cannot be right to have others spying upon you and reporting to someone else and not be able to find out who is doing the reporting.
Without an ability to find out who is causing this we have to endure this "fear and intimidation" and have an innocent party crying in the night.
What happened to "the right to a private and peaceful family life "?
How do we find out who is doing this reporting ?
is not a person is guilty of an offence if, with intent to cause a person harassment, alarm or distress.
which this certainly does
??? section 4A, public order act 1986 ???
does this not cover
intent to cause harassment, alarm or distress
with intent to cause a person harassment, alarm or distress
the actions were to cause just that:
and they have done so on someone not subject to the initial business problem.
What legislation covers the [cause a person harassment, alarm or distress] since this cannot be legal.
I repeat what legislation covers:-
causing a person harassment, alarm or distress
- when their action do so
If you ignor the circumstances that we are advising in brief above:
If someone does an action that causes fear / distress / harrassment / alarm etc:
That causes emotional or physical harm by their actions then the laws of the UK must cover a legislation that applies.
What is it?
Surely there cannot be a carte-blanch for people to cause humilaition, degridation, and causes fear and distress without recourse.
What legislation covers the protection of an individual from persicution and fear and distress, such as we are enduring.
this is beyond emotional distress
what are the appropriate possible actions that we can take regarding these actions.
Are you UK based or Pennsalvania USA ????
Your emails advise time zone EST
I must have missed it, and cannot see anything in your replies except
[and no way of finding out who is the source of the reports unless, of course, they are willing to tell you voluntarily.]
Please explain the action that I can take.
who would have the authority to find out who is causing such "harassment, alarm or distress" ?
when information - untrue - is passed to another unrelated party - there must be an inducement.
I.E a payment of some kind for that information.
AND WHEN THAT INFORMATION IS USED TO INFLUENCE A COURT.
Surely there is some legal action that can be used to redress this.
I cannot accept that in the UK we can be subject to ongoing harrasment and distress from others without some ability to remedy it.
the information passed was untrue and with other allegations that can be proved - this is where we are starting from.
The rest is the continued itteration by the same process from what - we believe to be - a hostile witness who have their own grievenaces about us.
What we cannot do is prove who the "spy" is.
We know where the information is going but not where they get it.
We also know that they are using that information to influence courts without any real ability to challenge it
why would that be the case.
would not "human rights issues" not also apply.
We are entitled to a life without these "gestapo" tactics and without false information being sent about us to influence Civil Courts of this land.
Where can I find justice ?
What avenue do I persue?
Thanks for your prompt answer.
I have to say that in view of the conintued persecution that we have experienced that I will have to persue this question elsewhere.
It cannot be lawful to supply false information to someone who uses it in court to discredit a person without there being some sort of offence being done.
I repeat "gestapo" tactics.
offence - ??
perjury in a civil case ???
stating that something is true when it is not - in writing to the Judge and court ??