Good evening Box Junctions - I was recently involved in an accident when crossing a signalled box junction. I passed through a green traffic signal at the junction, but, because my exit was not clear, I paused on the edge of the yellow box; this was some six metres further on from the traffic signal stop line. Once my exit was clear I proceeded across the junction and was about 80% of the way across when I was truck on the near side by a vehicle entering the box junction from the road to my left. I sustained damage to the side of my car the third party to the front. The third party claims that I must have driven through a red light because the green filter light was in her favour when she was turning left into the junction. It is possible that the signal behind me changed to red whilst I was on the junction, I'm not sure. If it did, should I have "stayed put" on the edge of the yellow box, or, was I right to proceed having crossed the signal stop line some way behind me, when the signal was green? Can I claim that the third party wrong to have entered the box junction when another (my) vehicle was obstructing her exit? I have photographic evidence which shows clearly the impact point on the side of my vehicle and that both cars were on the crosshatched area of the junction. Thank you in advance for any advice you may be able to offer. Brian XXXXX
I would like to know what the law is regarding ones conduct once a box junction has been entered.
Q1 - If the traffic signal behind me has changed from green to red whilst waiting on the edge of the yellow hatched area, is it permissible to continue across the junction if my exit is clear, or should I wait for the signal to turn green again?
Yes, it relates to the outcome of the civil matter - I am attempting to recover my uninsured losses. I'm not being prosecuted by the police.
The third party has a witness, who, from what he said at the time of the accident, may claim that I proceeded across the junction when the red signal was against me. Because I stopped on the edge of the yellow hatched area, this may have been the case, the signals may have changed while I was waiting. I definitely did not cross the traffic signal stop line while the signal was red.
Thank you for this - just a little further clarification please.
Are we saying that:
if the exit is not clear, one should not proceed past the signal stop line even though the signal is green, or,
if the exit is not clear, one can pass the signal stop line but not proceed further than the edge of the yellow hatched box some six to eight metres further into the junction?
How are the edges of a box junction defined?
Is it the the area enclosed by the stop signal lines, or,
is it the area enclosed by the yellow box itself?
If the latter is true, is the edge of the yellow box also controlled by the signal?
In this case when I passed the green light the last vehicle from the previous phase of the signals was exiting the far side of the boxed junction. It then stopped just outside the yellow box blocking my exit. It was for this reason that I stopped after passing the green signal but before entering my side of the yellow box.
What I am not clear about is this.
Had I realised the signals on my side had changed back to red, if they had, should I have waited on the edge of the yellow box until they changed to green again in my favour, or, having already passed the signal on green was it okay to proceed as my exit was now clear?
Thank you very much for your help Jo, this concludes my questions. Your answers were very clear and I now have a better understanding of the situation I find myself in.
Sincerely, XXXXX XXXXX