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I have a few questions about black mailing
Does it have to involve a clear monetary sum?
It is defined as: A person is guilty of blackmail if, with a view to gain for himself or another or with intent to cause loss to another, he makes any unwarranted demand with menaces
Ok I have an example
A few actually!
Please also bear in mind that the time we can spend is very limited.
Basically if someone was refusing to delete something that they have been sent and then the second party gets fearful and offers a solution to it, which is not monetary, it is blackmailing?
If they are just asking
But if they say I will kill you if you dont delete it, then that is blackmail
Ok but if the person who was sent the things refused to delete it, is it illegal?
Depends what it is but probably not
If one person asks someone to produce an academic journal for them, which they could then borrow and use it under a condition offered to the person whom he asked to write it. Then after completing the piece, the person refused to uphold the agreement and also actually lied about the fundamentals of the situation. Then the composer says, you either fix this agreement dispute or I will alarm your institution of your plagiarism, or you could tell your institution of plagiarism and retract your academic piece from submission then I'll let it go. Would this be blackmail?
As far as I am concerned since the demand is reasonably warranted
No - because the person has to make a gain for themself as a result. In this case they would not
3. one btw
One person has material which will put reputation at risk, eg this plagiarism and he said you can fix the mess up or I will disclose this to the public. Is this black mailing?
Fix it in what way?
Any way which the parties will mutually agree
If he person says you pay me £x or I will tell - this is blackmail
No that was not happened
it was basically
"You can fix the indifference between us by paying me respect and spending the time I deserve with me, then we are even."
If the person holding the ace makes a gain (financial or non financial) it is blackmail
something similiar like this
Respect, no that's fine
Ok what if the person first offered to be this person's girlfriend for the help then retracted it then he was asking for this to be fixed, is it blackmail as it was offered already
No, because there has been no gain
can i have examples of non financial gains?
Ok let's say
It has to be somekind of an object?
so ANY gain
and causing a LOSS to another
ok what if
If you dont be my girlfriend i will claim my intellectual property over the academic work, is that an issue?
No because they already own the IP if they wrote it
And that would not cause a loss
Dating is not a loss?
Just means they are not very nice and why date them anyway
What about sexual intercourse just saying
That would be rape if non consensual
If consensual and offered by the female to actually solve the academic issues?
But ok if it was not offered BUT the male part asks for this
is it an issue?
But it didnt happen
He just asked
If it have sex with me or else, then yes that would be blackmail
What if that wasnt said
but then the female just suddenly goes into it with the belief that it was said
I dont understanbd
and offers a discussion in what to achieve
And please be clear
So if, nothing like if you dont have sex with me I will was said. But there was a mere hint which is very vague, then, however, moving forward the female party started offering a discussion in sexual intercourse to settle this, is this blackmail?
Whether that amounts to blackmail would be a matter for a jury to decide
We have now been chatting for half an hour so our session will need to end soon
Is it true if the person thinks that his demand is warranted it is not black mailing?
It has to be with menaces
I dont think something like academic papers is menaces?
Please see: http://www.e-lawresources.co.uk/Blackmail.php
Dont worry you can pick up the other question to continue the chat so you get paid again, I have already paid
I can't say - I dont think so
Usual form of blackmail is violence if I am correct?
Or threat of
But if it is the truth that is being exposed ot the public and it is the truth of ones' action which would damage their reputation then it is not menaces ?
It can be yes. If you have an affair and say well unless you give me £ I will tell your wife, that is blackmail
Even if it is trye
but what this seems is that
if one exposes the truth of someone else which is massively damanging their reputation or it is illegal eg. abortion/ affair
academic plagiarism seems to be bit less erious here
Again maybe a matter for the jury and legal argument
Sex is a gain for another and loss for another right?
Although consensual ?
It could be yes
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An agreement with an exchange for information via sex is not legally exercisable if i am correct?
Well that is a separate question I am afraid!
Pick up another outstanding question I have
brief 10 mins chat about this on that please