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May I ask has any rent been paid please to date?
Has any deed of assignment yet been signed by you in respect of the assignment of the lease to you?
Is the matter being dealt with through your solicitor?
Were you asked to sign any form of key undertaking by the landlord to return the keys or was this just an informal arrangement?
Have you done anything more than just tidy up to date?
I have only tidied up the place.
I told my solicitors I was happy for lease to start on 12th January so they advised solicitors of this. I havent signed any formal lease or rent deposit. I have not paid any rent at all
I havent signed any key undertaking however did sign a letter saying I would pay business rates and outgoings from this date
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Thank you. On these facts it is most unlikely any formal lease could be claimed to exist. In order for a lease to be inferred, in the absence of written documentation, rent must be paid and occupation agreed or given. From what you say no rent has been paid and therefore there lacks a vital ingredient for a lease to be inferred.
I did sign a letter saying I would take over liabilities from 12th January
Does that mean anything
In addition to the above, it is almost certain that your solicitors are negotiating a formal assignment of the existing lease (or alternative a new lease for you) but in either event there is likely to be a deed of assignment for you to sign and also a rent deposit deed in respect of any deposit you have agreed to provide.
Yes it is a new lease but we have not completed on the lease yet
so does the letter I have signed mean the lease has begun
or does the fact that I have not paid rent mean no lease has begun
Your solicitors should have used the "subject to contract or subject to lease" words on correspondence and if they have done so as they almost certain would and should have then this requires there to be a formal action in order to bring about an end to that arrangement. Notwithstanding the letter which I will address in a moment with your permission I therefore do not consider that a lease has begun here. However the letter...
Can you confirm exactly what the letter said please?
That I was agreeing to take over the liability of the business from 12th January 2014
Are you able to confirm the exact words used and confirm who wrote the letter. What liabilities were you agreeing to specifically - e.g. what is the business you refer to?
Did this letter pass through your solicitors? Why did you agree to sign the same?
I didnt go through my solicitors and signed it when I took over the keys
Thank you. For what period di you undertake to take over liability? What did you get in return?
I said I would take over liability from 12th January 20i14 for all business rates and utilities until completion.
I got the keys in return
I didnt want to start trading until I had formalised matters
Thanks. Finally when was this letter signed?
When I got the keys on 12th j
Thank you. I do not consider this changes the position with regards XXXXX XXXXX existence of a lease. I do not think a lease will exist based on these facts. However if you agreed to sign this letter in consideration of you being given the keys to tidy up and so on I believe the landlord will be able to claim from you business rates for the premises for the pro rata period from the date you got the keys and the date you hand them back as there would appear to be a contract made between you in this respect which satisfies the requirements of a contract.
Okay but legally the lease hasnt commenced
what if my solicitors didnt write subject to contract
Accordingly you may wish to consider returning the keys to the landlord together with a cheque for the business rates offered as "full and final settlement" in respect of the business rates for the period.
If he claims you have already leased the property you can deny this on the basis that you have not paid rent nor signed any lease.
If your solicitors did not write subject to contract then this would likely amount to negligence but it means that your solicitors could have indirectly committed you to a lease. It is a matter of standard practice to make initial correspondence subject to contract to avoid accidentally committing ones client to a contract without realising. If they have they would be liable to you. I very much doubt it is an issue though. I do not think the letter you signed would have any impact beyond the business rate liability as above irrespective of whether they wrote subject to contract or not.
Is there anything above I can clarify for you any further?
Do they have to write subject to contract on all correspondence or just the first letter
No just once
cool no more questions
can i get a print out of this
or sent to my email address
A pleasure. I hope you successfully negotiate a lease in respect of the new property you have found.
Yes you can either copy and paste the thread into a document or I can ask customer services to email you a copy if you prefer
please if you could
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