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Alex Watts : Has the trial happened already please?
It involves Rank Org's case against HMRC and "piggy back" action by smaller concerns against HMRC in respect of VAT wrongly charged on gaming machines.The UK and European courts origionally found in favour of Rank but HMRC appealed and won.However Rank have won the right to appeal further and the case might take a year to be held.
There are 2 more actions pending relating to wrongly charged VAT on gaming machines which will be different cases and still stand a chance of success even if the first case is lost.
Alex Watts : Ok. So one of the companies in the appeal has gone into liquidation?
HMRC having lost the first case paid out but having won their appeal now want the money back with interest.
Alex Watts : Ok. And the further appeal did that seek a stay of enforcement?
Alex Watts : upon leave to appeal I mean?
Don't think so ,HMRC are demanding repayment
Alex Watts : Ok. If there has been no further appeal then money is owed to hmrc.
Alex Watts : If there was leave further appeal, then this should have included a stay on enforcement pending that appeal.
Alex Watts : If it did then hmrc can not request payment.
Alex Watts : If it did not then hmrc can demand payment.
Alex Watts : Can I clarify anything for you about this today please?
If the company went into administration or was wound up would the share holders benefit from a subsequent award in their favour
Alex Watts : It would go to the liquidators and then be up to them how it was distributed.
Are you saying the company needs to be kept alive to benefit(or its shareholders) from any future court action against HMRC.
Alex Watts : Well if it is not then the action against that company and hmrc ceases.
Alex Watts : The liquidators may or may not continue with the further appeal.
Alex Watts : If is a matter for them
Alex Watts : Can I clarify anything for you?
It will be Rank who are continuing the action bur the point is if it is found the the company was wrongly charged VAT and we are talking£3m why is it not owed to the shareholders
Alex Watts : It will, if there are in the action go the liquiated.
Alex Watts : Liquidator.
Alex Watts : The liquidator will then decide how to distribute it.
Alex Watts : It is for the liquidator to make any claim against hmrc it thinks appropriate
So to clarify if the receiver/liquidator has paid off all the creditors he can keep the action going against HMRC even for 2/3 years and return funds claimed from HMRC to the shareholders of the co.
Alex Watts : Assuming there are no other claims, yes
Alex Watts : Can I clarify anything else
Would he need to be uncentified to carry on the claim
Alex Watts : That would be for the liquidator to carry on
Sorry not clear on that
Alex Watts : Ok. You can't carry on as shareholders.
Alex Watts : If the company is in liquidation only they can carry on the claim
So we would be reliant on the goodwill of the IP (insolvency practioner)could he /she keep the proceeds
of future action.Would the company be better seved by appointing an IP voluntarily?
Alex Watts : No. If there was enough left, it would be given to shareholders, if there was a surplus.
Even though the company is no longer trading?
Alex Watts : Yes.
Alex Watts : the liquidator liquidates assets and any surplus goes to shareholders.
Alex Watts : Can I clarify anything else?
Finally.So even after say 5 years and it was found that the company should not have paid VAT in can be reclaimed and distributed to the shareholders
Alex Watts : Yes by the liquiator.
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Got there in the end.Thanks Alex, sorry for slow(man) typing
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will do--BAD, Only joking :-)
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U need to finish to allow me to rate