Yes that is correct. Neither me or her father
Just to add the order was made only after I decided that to be the terms as previous contact orders were made over the years but I got tired of going round in circles as my daughters dad and his family started accusing my other children or indecently touching her
2011 January and yesterday
I just went to her house with one of my other children abd spoke to her at the door.
She was very talkative spoke about school and her karate lessons. But I only got to speak through the locked front door gate. But she didn't display any discontent. It is just the paternal grandmother who didn't seem forthcoming in regards ***** ***** contact as she said she cannot promise anything as of when they are next free. The paternal auntie was there as if to oversee the situation as she always has played quite an intimidating role in that sense. My daughters father was not present as he hardly stays home and is with another woman.