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I currently have 9 points on my licence. I have recently

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Hi, I currently have 9 points on my licence. I have recently been charged with going through a red light, the reality was that I was in a queue and whilst most of my car was across the line, I proceeded through with the queing traffic. I now understand that I should have waited even if onluy part of my car weas behind the line. My question is how best to plead and whether to attend to try and avoid disqualification. My assumption is I should plead guilty but with mitigating circumstances a) in relation to the offence, i.e. whilst conceding the offence, nevertheless this was not the 'dangerous driving' type of going through a red light and was done after being stationary at the lights in traffic and b) in relkation to financial circumstances. Finally do I stand a better chance if I attend or should I just attach a letter? I am most grateful for any advice.
Thanks.
Saul
Submitted: 2 years ago.
Category: Law
Expert:  Jo C. replied 2 years ago.
Hi.
Thank you for your question. My name is ***** ***** I will try to help with this.
What are the dates of your points?
Customer: replied 2 years ago.
Hi Jo,Please license attached.Thanks
Customer: replied 2 years ago.
Don't know if it makes a difference but these were not high speed, speeding offenses.
Expert:  Jo C. replied 2 years ago.
What was the date of this incident?
Customer: replied 2 years ago.
7th July 2015
Customer: replied 2 years ago.
I received the charge notice with posting date of 11/12/15 though it arrived quite a bit later
Expert:  Jo C. replied 2 years ago.
Did you get 6 points for the MS90?
Customer: replied 2 years ago.
yes, its a bit of a story, I actually attended court to explain why I had not responded but I guess it was mandatory so they weren't interested.
Expert:  Jo C. replied 2 years ago.
OK. Is this a charge or a S172 request?
Customer: replied 2 years ago.
is that the 'conceding being driver' form, if yes, that was returned earlier
Customer: replied 2 years ago.
28th July 2015 I beleive
Customer: replied 2 years ago.
does it matter that the evidence wasn't dated by the officer in question? please see attached
Customer: replied 2 years ago.
official error?
Expert:  Jo C. replied 2 years ago.
Ok.
What will be the effect of a ban upon you?
Customer: replied 2 years ago.
potentially I won't be able to do my job, I'm a self employed photographer so need to be mobile in my own vehicle in which I carry a lot of equipment.
Expert:  Jo C. replied 2 years ago.
The problem that you have is that you do, indeed, have 9 active points. This will take you to 12 which will mean that you are at risk of a ban for totting that lasts 6 months. To avoid that you would have to argue that exceptional hardship applies. That is a high test. The burden of proof rests upon you. You need to satisfy the court that you could not do this job by public transport. I realise that would not be convenient but that is not the test. You need to call evidence to explain why it is not possible. Taxi drivers, for instance, can only work if they are able to drive. Can I clarify anything for you? Jo
Customer: replied 2 years ago.
so if I brought images of the amount of equipment I need to transport, which simply could not be done in a taxi
Customer: replied 2 years ago.
and what about financial circumstances? I am on low income receiving family tax credits?
Expert:  Jo C. replied 2 years ago.
Yes, details of what you have to transfer would be helpful.
Financial circumstances is a non issue. This is not an exceptional hardship application.
Customer: replied 2 years ago.
So the effect of a ban effectively preventing my earnings, would not be considered as exceptional hardship?
Expert:  Jo C. replied 2 years ago.
Sorry.
Loss of job can be exceptional hardship although usually you want to concentrate on the impact upon innocents.
Being on low income though is not a consideration.
Customer: replied 2 years ago.
When you say innocents, does that mean my family? if yes I have 8 children living at home relying on my income. My wife is clearly busy as a housewife so does not bring in additional income.
Customer: replied 2 years ago.
plus my house would be at risk because I would not be able to afford mortgage payments
Expert:  Jo C. replied 2 years ago.
Yes, children. Or other relatives.
You have to show that they would be affected - inability to pay the mortgage leading to eviction, inability to take them to school or elsewhere although you will have to explain why your wife can't do that.
Customer: replied 2 years ago.
Thank you, you've been very patient. Finally (I hope) is it better if I attend or should I explain circumstances in my written response?
Expert:  Jo C. replied 2 years ago.
No. You will have to give oral evidence on the point.
It is a complete hearing in court.
YOu might want to get your wife to court to explain why she can't drive the children.
Customer: replied 2 years ago.
transporting the children is not the issue, my wife can, not having the income was the hardship on my children I was referring to, the effect of not earning would have on the running of the household
Expert:  Jo C. replied 2 years ago.
You might want her to explain why she can't work then.
If you are arguing that innocents are affected it is usually a good idea to have them there.
Customer: replied 2 years ago.
seriously? I should take my kids off school and walk into court with 8 kids the youngest of which is 2, won't they accept birth certificates?
Expert:  Jo C. replied 2 years ago.
I wouldn't bring the children.
But your wife is clearly a competent witness.
Customer: replied 2 years ago.
on which point?
Expert:  Jo C. replied 2 years ago.
You might want her to explain why she can't work then.
If you are arguing that innocents are affected it is usually a good idea to have them there.
Customer: replied 2 years ago.
OK just not sure if its practicable. Is there any mileage in me trying to explain how the offense happened?
Customer: replied 2 years ago.
hello?
Expert:  Jo C. replied 2 years ago.
No, how the offence happened matters not.
It would be an issue but this leads to a fixed penalty so it cannot be.
I'm happy to continue with this but please rate my answer.