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Doris, Personal Property Appraiser
Category: Antiques
Satisfied Customers: 17304
Experience:  Antiques store owner 10+yrs.Best of City Two Years.Collector 56+yrs.USPAP compliant. Member AOA.Founded part of antiques, silver & art collection at local museum.
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I have some cups and saucers that were given to my

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JA: Hello. How can I help?
Customer: I have some cups and saucers that were given to my grandmother for her wedding in 1922. They are probably eastern eurpean as I can't read the writing and it looks almost Greek
JA: I always love having an appraiser look at my stuff. Sometimes it's turned out to be surprisingly valuable. Tell us what else you do know and the Antiques Appraiser will be able to better assist you.
Customer: The cups and saucers are red or carmine with flowers in white circles and gold painted on the edges. I would like to identify them if possible
JA: Is there anything else important you think the Antiques Appraiser should know?
Customer: There are 2 images on the underneath surface. One has a horseman on it, the other may have roots or wings. I can't make out what it is! There's a squiggle beneath both images

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Please tell me the approximate size in inches.

Photos are almost always required to give an accurate assessment.

Please send photos of the item.

Please send a clear, in-focus photo of the identification marks, labels and/or words on the item.

You may need to use the macro function (flower icon) of your camera to get a good clear photo of the marks.

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Customer: replied 7 months ago.
Customer: replied 7 months ago.

Thank you for the pictures. I see what you mean about the letters/words.

Please allow a bit of time for study and typing.

The mark is a 19thC for Francis Garner of Verbilki (near Moscow), Russia,

Francis Y. Gardner, an Englishman, established a private porcelain manufactory in Russia. His wares were among the most popular of the 19thC.

Your cup and saucer have an estimated retail value of 110-140 GBP in an upscale venue.

Online auctions like eBay generally bring wholesale selling prices (30%-50% of retail). Sales in the eBay "Buy It Now" format are closer to retail.

If you would like to sell close to estimated retail, some ideas are:

The internet has the largest audience of buyers. Place small ads on these sites or set up your own small store on these sites.

Be sure to specify a local pick up only for large items. That way the buyer would be responsible for obtaining his own insurance and transport.

These sites carry antique as well as vintage items.

Accept PayPal only. - small fee to list plus 3.5% final price.

These sites are excellent and more upscale but fees are higher. I only recommend them if you have several items to sell.

Or your nearest,,, or Facebook Marketplace where you can list items for free. Accept cash only.

Ultimately, to obtain these retail values we assume the piece or set is in good condition and that the final value depends on sale geographic location.

In general, a private seller to a dealer, via consignment or at auction can expect 30-50% of estimated retail value.

Insurance replacement values are usually about 20%-50% more than retail values.

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Customer: replied 7 months ago.
Thank you. I have 5 cups and 7 saucers. I have seen something similar now on the maas website. Theirs dates from 1840 but has a painted central roundel whereas mine are plain with 2 oval painted roundels adjacent to the central one. Anyhow they are very pretty and delicate. I hope they're not the cheap mass produced ones from when the factory was taken over in the period before 1917! I can't find examples yet of work from that period.
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