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Doris, Personal - Property Appraiser
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Experience:  Owner/Pres. Chancery Lane Antiques & Appraisals, Inc. at Self
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I have a set of 6 tea spoon and sugar tongs with a makers

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Hi I have a set of 6 tea spoon and sugar tongs with a makers mark of - W.Batty & Sons td Watch Makers Diamond Merchant Manchester & Liverpool Five of which are silver and one a replacement which is silver plate. No idea what happened the the 6th tea spoon. They belonged to my Grandmother and possibly her mother before. They have and engraved S. on all pieces except for the replacement one. I would like to sell them and cant find anything to give me a price guide. They are simple design with no embellishments other then the S. engraving.
JA: I always love having an appraiser look at my stuff. Sometimes its turned out to be surprisingly valuable. Is there anything else the Appraiser should be aware of?
Customer: I can see a Crown a Lion JR & S something else and a *and cross at the end.
Submitted: 2 years ago.
Category: Appraisals
Expert:  Doris replied 2 years ago.

Welcome! Doris here. I will be pleased to work with you. My responses are not immediate. I thank
you for your patience. I am reviewing the question.

Please read all carefully!

Photos are almost always required to give an accurate assessment.

Please send photos of ONE WHOLE spoon showing the pattern.

Please send a photo of the identification marks, labels and/or words on the spoon.

You may need to use the macro function (flower icon) of your camera to get a good clear photo of the marks.

If you cannot get a good photo, then sketch the marks and take a photo of the sketch.

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Kind regards,

Customer: replied 2 years ago.
Hi is this enough?
Customer: replied 2 years ago.
Please cancel telephone call pressed in error!
Expert:  Doris replied 2 years ago.

One picture came through at this end. It showed a blurred picture of the marks.

Can you get a clear, in-focus picture of the marks? If not, please sketch the marks and send a picture of the sketch.

Then I need a picture of ONE whole spoon showing the pattern.

I do not participate in the phone call services. The ad for a call was auto-generated by the site, not me.
I will still continue to work with you in writing an answer at no extra cost.

You will have the most accurate assessment if your expert sees pictures first.

I look forward to seeing your pictures.

Kind regards,


Customer: replied 2 years ago.
Can’t get a closer photo but as described. Crown lion ? Then J.R&S star and cross
Expert:  Doris replied 2 years ago.

Thank you. Is that an upper case letter "T" between the lion and the JR&S?

Customer: replied 2 years ago.
Looks like it
Expert:  Doris replied 2 years ago.

Thank you. Please allow a couple of minutes for study and typing.

Customer: replied 2 years ago.
Or lower case f
Expert:  Doris replied 2 years ago.

Explanation of marks:

Crown - Sheffield, UK, assay office

Walking lion - Lion Passant - the guarantee of sterling silver

T - Sheffield style date letter for 1961

JR & S - Sponsors mark (new term for maker) - John Rodgers & Sons

Star and Cross - Symbols used by Sponsor - no special meaning

The pattern is Old English.

The estimated retail value of your "tea set" consisting of 6 teaspoons (5 sterling plus 1 plated) and sugar tongs is 100-150 GBP in an upscale venue.

Online auctions like eBay generally bring wholesale selling prices (30%-50% of retail). Sales in the eBay "Buy It Now" format are closer to retail.

If you would like to sell close to estimated retail, some ideas are:

The internet has the largest audience of buyers. Place small ads on these sites or set up your own small store on these sites.

Be sure to specify a local pick up only for large items. That way the buyer would be responsible for obtaining his own insurance and transport.

These sites carry antique as well as vintage items.
Accept PayPal only. - small fees-20 cents to list plus 3.5% final price.

These sites are excellent and more upscale but fees are higher. I only recommend them if you have several items to sell.

Or your nearest,,, or Facebook Marketplace where you can list items for free. Accept cash only.

Ultimately, to obtain these retail values we assume the piece or set is in good condition and that the final value depends on sale geographic location.

In general, a private seller to a dealer, via consignment or at auction can expect 30-50% of estimated retail value.

Insurance replacement values are usually about 20%-50% more than retail values.

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Customer: replied 2 years ago.
I think it is an italic lower case f the cross at the end is a St George cross Sheffield Crown/lion Passant
Expert:  Doris replied 2 years ago.

Are you stating that the letter we thought was an upper case "T" is a lower case "f"?

Customer: replied 2 years ago.
Not sure but it could be f
Customer: replied 2 years ago.
In which case what would be the value then?
Customer: replied 2 years ago.
The mark is hard to tell even with a magnifying glass it could be either but leaning towards f
Expert:  Doris replied 2 years ago.

Both letters marks are the 20thc with the "f" being 1923.

There is very little difference in value.

If it is the "f" (which I believe it to be), the revised estimated value in an upscale venue would be 115-165 GBP.

The two symbols at the end are those the Rodgers firm used during this period.

The same selling venues I recommended before apply here as well.
I hope this helps.
Positive, please.
Kind regards,

Customer: replied 2 years ago.
Thank you
Expert:  Doris replied 2 years ago.

You are welcome.

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